Gun Ban Debate

I posted this as part of a debate with someone. I wanted to make sure it was saved, and that other people can view it. It followed from an argument that Western Europe has a lower murder rate than the USA.

"States like Japan and West Europe have always historically had lower murder rates to begin with. Before or after gun legislation. In fact, the origins of anti-gun legislation in Europe come out of a desire of national governments to prevent armed political uprisings, because Europe has had a long history of them from the 18th century on, not out of public safety concerns. The fact that millions people, in Europe, who were legally disarmed, were murdered by their own governments is troubling.

If I'm going to continue with this line, how come you guys don't consider the murders of tens of millions of people in Europe in the 20th century, in Germany, the Soviet Union, Spain, Italy,Warsaw pact countries, etc, a terrible consequence of gun control. Those murders would simply not have been possible if those Europeans were able to exercise their natural right to self defense, that the 2nd amendment protects. Citizens in Europe are at the whim of whoever the current crop of leader are."